« Wait, Is it a romantic date? » Podcast Episode 102: The Chart

Recently on « hold off, So is this a romantic date? » we are joined by Autostraddle President and

L Word

expert
Riese Bernard
to talk about: The Chart. That is correct! This occurrence is about lesbian interconnectivity â starting up with friends’ exes, friends hooking up with the help of our exes, additionally the society produced by everything drama.

Come for the news, stay for mental handling. And before that enjoy a-game that tests Christina’s borders: Would U-Haul? (Spoiler alert: she typically wouldn’t.)

Thank you for all your wonderful feedback after the premiere! When you yourself haven’t however give consideration to giving us a rating or examine!

PROGRAM RECORDS

+ Five years ago Riese put together an
Old Hollywood chart
that is the intersection of all my passions.

+ Listed Here Is
the article
I reference in which I mention connecting using my roommates.

+ My personal crush of the few days Mj Rodriguez revealed a music movie on her tune
« one thing to Say »
!

+ As anyone who has just observed some attacks of

The Nanny

this montage
of Christina’s crush for the few days C.C. Babcock was stunning to me with regards to turned out she and Niles are not both homosexual. (Christina tells me they basically nevertheless are.)

View publisher site: /married-senior-gay-dating/

Drew:

I’d end up being really okay along with it current. I might never ever include another person without their particular permission. Although notion of everytime some one was like, « make sure you are linked to myself, » I would wind up as, « Yeah, it is the existence I’ve stayed. I really don’t worry about. » Is that unusual? Would be that a problem?

Christina:

No, as if I wasn’t, I would personally feel bad not. I would be like, « Wait, I am not sleeping? »

Theme track performs

Drew:

Hi, I’m Drew.

Christina:

Hi, I’m Christina.

Drew:

And welcome to

Wait, Is It A Night Out Together?

Christina:

Wait, Is It A Night Out Together?

is an Autostraddle podcast inquiring the top questions. To start with, is it a date? Preciselywhat are times? That are dates? Do we like times? These are the kind of concerns we answer about this right here extremely professional and beautiful podcast.

Drew:

My name is Drew Gregory. I’m an author at Autostraddle and a filmmaker and, notoriously, a trans lesbian.

Christina:

I am Christina Tucker. I am additionally an author at Autostraddle. I will be a loud queer on the web. I will be recovering at explaining myself as an author and, notoriously, a lesbian. That is all of us. That is just who we have been.

Drew:

Yeah. And thus our very own major subject this week could be the Chart.

Christina:

I just believed it required a sting. I don’t know. That felt truly remarkable, but In my opinion it required it.

Drew:

Yes. No, please, kindly, kindly. Thank you, thank you. No, no, no. The perfect quantity of drama.

Christina:

Thank-you.

Drew:

Yeah. So we’re making reference to lesbian interconnectivity.

Christina:

I adore that expression because it sounds like you should resume the lesbians. It sounds such as the internet connection isn’t really operating.

Drew:

Yes. it is very advanced, very advanced, additionally ‘s been around since there has been lesbians, In my opinion.

Christina:

Yeah. I believe students would state whenever they found initial lesbian fossils, they found a data alongside ones carved into the mud. And that I think’s exactly what that film is mostly about, proper? It’s about the chart? That motion picture with Kate Winslet plus the sand fossils?

Drew:

Ammonite?

Christina:

Yeah, that is what it is more about.

Drew:

I wish

Ammonite

was about cave females. I would watch that lesbian film.

Christina:

Really, as I haven’t observed it, I’m going to bravely claim that it absolutely was. Cool.

Drew:

Yeah. Since it is like we have plenty lesbian duration pieces, but we have now never eliminated straight back that much. And I also think it’s time we would.

Christina:

Let us simply hold getting it more back in time.

Drew:

Before we obtain to our major topic, you’re nonetheless learning all of us. And I believed it will be fun to tackle a game the place you guys could really get acquainted with Christina. Therefore the icebreaker with this few days is actually slightly video game that I name « Would U-Haul. »

Christina:

Im, once again, thus pressured about this. This may you should be how I come in to the online game. This could be my personal video game mentality, somewhat high-key, slightly stressed. Which is fine. We are all learning.

Drew:

I think that is great. I do believe that’ll make you more vulnerable, possibly.

Christina:

Certainly one of my personal favorite emotions.

Drew:

Simply a horror, simply an intense terror. So that the method in which « Would U-Haul » really works is actually i’ll explain a scenario. Why don’t we call-it Christina follower fiction. And I’m likely to pause after each small section are similar, « Okay, Christina, i understand which you have never ever resided with somebody, do not want to live with someone. But under these scenarios, would U-Haul? »

Christina:

And I will both say yes or we’ll state, « I’m prepared. »

Drew:

Unless you â really, we’ll see right here. But i am excited. I do believe I’ve possibly cracked the rule.

Christina:

You’ve cracked the code? I am thrilled.

Drew:

Let us observe how very long this requires. And when there is a constant do, i do believe you victory? I am not sure just how discover winners here.

Christina:

I am not sure that we now have champions during the video game of U-Hauling.

Drew:

Well, I am not sure should you decide’ll agree with that next. So I’m going to get heading.

Christina:

Fair enough.

Drew:

Okay. So, Christina.

Christina:

Drew.

Drew:

You’re at your buddy’s wedding. Inspite of the great number of romcoms you have absorbed, you did perhaps not go to this marriage thinking you had fulfill anybody because, well, this isn’t a romcom. Here is the actual and regular longevity of Christina Grace Tucker. You’re taking your assigned chair and generally are glancing at the cellphone as soon as you recognize a female at the dining table is wanting at you. She introduces by herself as the friend’s former baby sitter. She’s stayed a friend on the family, but she doesn’t actually know any individual there. She appears like mid-forties and contains a striking angular face. You set about talking. She proposes to enable you to get a glass or two. So when she rises, you realize she is six feet tall, 6â² 3â³ in heels. So that you know very well what? I am simply attending hold on there and be like, at this point, would U-Haul?

Christina:

I am intrigued. I’m intrigued because I might get set at the marriage. But so far I am not U-Hauling anywhere.

Drew:

Cool. That’s completely reasonable. Entirely reasonable. Okay. So that you spend whole wedding observing one another. There’s simply an immediate spark and quick biochemistry. And certainly, you will do attach and also the intercourse is actually remarkable.

Christina:

Tight.

Drew:

And thus this wedding ceremony was in Northern California. And that means you both increase your own remains for three times to screw and check out and consume at restaurants and shag. While supply to divide the expense of the today mutual place, but she laughs you off and is similar, « clearly not, honey. » Therefore the subsequent three days tend to be secret. You’re feeling your wall space tumbling straight down. You are falling quicker than you actually ever have actually. Would U-Haul?

Christina:

So simply for understanding’s benefit, I’m having a hard time imagining some sort of wherein we got three shock times off work to hang out with a person i really do maybe not understand. That looks bonkers. However if I did, great for myself. But I’m simply not U-Hauling during this period. It will be a no.

Drew:

Great. Okay. That is good. You only met. I have it. I get it. Okay.

Christina:

Thank-you a great deal.

Drew:

So she comes back to New York and you also return to Philadelphia.

Christina:

This is where We reside.

Drew:

And you’re texting always. This is where your home is and is in which this girl lives. And you’re texting always and you also see each other several times 30 days. She’s very hectic together work, but she actually is fast purchasing you a train ticket to help you arrive see their and remain at her gorgeous brownstone in Fort Greene. After which 6 months pass. Plus one evening if you are out to dinner, she asks that relocate together with her. Would U-Haul?

Christina:

And proceed to Nyc? I don’t really like nyc. No, I’m not transferring at the half a year mark. I am not undertaking that, no.

Drew:

Okay, okay. Totally, totally, entirely. Wow. Okay. So you keep matchmaking long-distance. She realizes that you will want some time and she actually is happy to anticipate you. Some more months pass. Its now been over a year. Your landlord tells you that they’re selling your place to a developer that’s investing in condos, and that means you can’t restore it. You should find a fresh place. Your now sweetheart tells you that no stress, but her offer however stands. Would U-Haul?

Christina:

Okay. At this point, I would U-Haul for 2 explanations.

Drew:

Yay! Fine. Please inform us.

Christina:

Mainly, in a global by which my personal property owner ended up selling my house to cultivate it, my property owner happens to be my personal best friend, to make certain that appears like anything moved incorrect inside our friendship. And that I must merely leave Philadelphia in any event. While I have to go in with my sweetheart over here, that seems good. That is okay. Completely great. But yeah, i do believe i may require an external power like a mean property owner.

Drew:

That’s thus â ok. I did so believe that you might need to require construction to have here, thus I’m happy I knew that.

Christina:

Yeah. That is what needs to happen to me personally very first.

Drew:

Really, i am glad to know what it takes. Therefore in theory, if you weren’t kicked away, how much cash additional time?

Christina:

In all honesty, which could went on for some time. Philly and nyc aren’t also that not one another. I got room over here. We’re moving backwards and forwards. We are having fun. I really could have allow that roll for a long time until i suppose Shoshana turns into the worst person i understand.

Drew:

I did not realize that Shoshana possessed your home. Well, there you are going.

Christina:

There we get. Wow, that was exciting.

Drew:

Well, many thanks for playing.

Christina:

I am stressed, becoming clear.

Drew:

And that I’m grateful that I’m sureâ¦ possibly if you’re actually, so if anyone’s ever online dating both you and wishes you to definitely move in, maybe your girl told Shoshana to sell our home with regard to your own union.

Christina:

Truthfully the quickest method â some body would simply have to speak to Shoshana and start to become like, « merely kick their completely. » After which she’d be like, « Yeah, certain. Of course. » That would be how it happened, even in the event she didn’t promote the home. Someone would you should be like, « Could you merely stop their out therefore she will only conquer it and relocate with me? » And she’d state yes. A hundred percent she would do this. That is what friendship is.

Drew:

I enjoy that.

Christina:

Yeah, which is really gorgeous.

Drew:

Really, I feel like we discovered a large number in regards to you.

Christina:

Thanks. Personally I think like I discovered a whole lot about my self, too. Danger of homelessness is truly the point that keeps myself moving in any circumstance, I guess. Wow.

Drew:

Well, that’s fantastic.

Christina:

Which was truly thrilling. I’m just as excited to move into the main segment because i do believe speaking about lesbian connectivity using this guest, because of this unique visitor, In my opinion it’s going to be remarkable, Drew. Just how could you be feeling?

Drew:

I’m so excited. That is a specialized. By that, I mean an

L Keyword

specialist, but a small amount of a specialist inside subject at hand.

Christina:

I believe two things can be real, my good friend. I believe a couple of things could be real undoubtedly. Will we need introduce our very own guest or can we desire our very own guest to introduce on their own?

Drew:

I would personally love our guest to introduce by herself.

Christina:

Guest.

Drew:

I’ll point out that all of our visitor could be the only Riese Bernard.

Christina:

Guest, speak.

Riese:

Hi, I Am Riese. And it’s really weird to-be the guest!

Christina:

Yeah, it is.

Riese:

I had not to state anything. I didn’t also exercise. I did so say situations. I’d to sit here calmly.

Christina:

And you were truly daring. And your confronts happened to be appreciated.

Riese:

Thanks a lot a great deal.

Christina:

Though this can be clearly a sound medium, I want all of our audience to know that Riese was actually creating some very nice effect faces during « Would U-Haul. »

Riese:

There’s various ways is heard. You-know-what I mean? That’s what I always state. I’m the President of Autostraddle.com. And that I’m also on an undefeated kickball staff. That is certainly me. I’ve your dog called Carol. And that I have outdated individuals.

Christina:

Congrats regarding kickball!

Riese:

Thank-you. I’ve been involved in individuals.

Christina:

Great. Adoring that. That’s fantastic to take to this, this right here matchmaking podcast. Which is excellent.

Riese:

Yeah. In my opinion thatâ¦ can there be anything?

Drew:

No, I think that is great, Riese.

Christina:

Whatever you should discuss.

Riese:

I like raspberries, the good fresh fruit raspberries, and pools.

Christina:

Compared toâ¦

Riese:

You know an individual goes likeâ¦

Drew:

It is like whenever you blow. Yeah.

Christina:

Oh. Those are terrible, so I just evacuated them from my personal mind.

Riese:

Yeah. That is certainly all.

Christina:

Great.

Drew:

Well, I instantly looked at you with this topic.

Christina:

That’s true.

Drew:

Because to start with, clearly, queer women and non-binary people in lesbian society were like, I don’t know, having sexual intercourse with individuals exactly who their friends have seen sex with since well before

The L Word

was actually ever a string. But i really do feel

The L Term

solidified a particular social notion of the data with Alice Pieszecki. I really decided you’d have a lot of understanding of this subject.

Riese:

It is genuine. A couple of authors, i wish to say, of

The L Keyword

had this actual data ones in addition to their buddies these people were drawing in the wall surface or whatever. And Guinevere Turner, In my opinion, was actually one among them. She talked to us about this, which they had built this. Because certainly, everyone for the reason that blogger’s room had banged other people within the writer â you are sure that, as well as the prolonged internet of that generation of lesbians in la. And so they watched that and they were like, « let us put it inside the show. » And a few ones take the information. Like, one particular just who â¦ like, real folks are regarding the data as a joke.

Christina:

That is incredible. That is the method that you know you have made it.

Riese:

Isn’t that cute?

Christina:

That will be thrilling for me personally.

Riese:

So if you haven’t observed

The L Term,

to begin with, congrats. Second, it will become the centerpiece of a single of our direct fictional character, Alice’s, apartment. She’s everything over her wall surface. And it also may be the name of a website that they started labeled as ourchart.com that flopped. While the concept â¦ And it’s inside the pilot, i believe. For the 1st occurrence, Alice begins making reference to how everyone’s linked, because every person’s installed with this individual. And that I can link you, as if you’re most likely at the most two degrees from the myself. Hence was true. Like, despite having Dana, who’d not a lot of knowledge because she had been a closeted tennis member, they nevertheless were able to connect the lady. And that is real world since it is genuine.

Christina:

That’s culture. Yeah. That’s what culture seems like.

Riese:

Which is society. That is queer society immediately. Nowadays everyone tends to make their maps.

Christina:

Yeah. So as that was going to be my subsequent question, ended up being have either of you made a chart? Because I don’t imagine We have, I am also sorts of now thinking like, that which was this last year seated inside my residence for if I did not make a chart? Like, that which was the purpose of that, really?

Riese:

I think I done it inside my log, as like â¦ Because i love, I’m not sure, organizing details, i suppose, as an idea exercise.

Christina:

Yeah, I think that is in addition precisely why i’m astonished that I haven’t accomplished it. I like the concept of categorizing situations.

Riese:

Right. Yeah. Because it is interesting. I am not sure why its therefore fascinating, but it is. Its interesting to-be like, wow, each one of these men and women, they may be connected. It is crazy.

Drew:

Regarding the show, when ourchart.com is actually invented, they usually have a genuine information that people will add things. And that I feel like something you joked pertaining to on

To L and Straight Back,

and then people state on a regular basis is like, if this existed in a proper method, nobody would place their unique names on it, nobody would feel comfortable getting their unique names on it.

Riese:

You would.

Drew:

I would personally. I’d end up being extremely good with it existing. I’d never include somebody else without their own permission. Nevertheless the idea of similar, each time someone had been like, « make sure you might be connected to myself, » I’d resemble, « Yeah, it is the existence I’ve resided. I do not mind. » Usually unusual? Usually a challenge?

Christina:

No, because if I found myselfn’t, I would feel terrible not â¦ i might end up like, « hold off, I’m not upon it? Like, I’m sorry, just what? » No, that could really deliver myself into lighting ethical panic about just who I am as one, the thing I’m doing. In the morning we interesting? Would men and women {like